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White Lady? ghost ?

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Postby Steven Dowd » June 26th, 2004, 9:14 am

search for what ?
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Postby Steven Dowd » July 1st, 2004, 2:36 pm

When I was in High School my and my friends went to Newton Library and looked in the really old Newton Guardian papers fro stuff on the White Lady. I found that she often was spotted hovering near the motorway, last sighting I belive was the 70's. The story confirmed her name as Victoria Hood and her husband was called Robin Alfred Hood (Not the Prince of Thieves). It is said that her husband drowned her on Newton lake, I can't remember the dates or anything.

Go to the Library and ask for the old Guardian newspapers on the White Lady, they should still have them. I many of time camped out with my friends on Castle Hill and ventured over to Willow Park but saw nothing. It's is pretty scary though when you walk through there alone !
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Postby Steven Dowd » July 1st, 2004, 2:44 pm

For info on the Griffin ghost then go to this link.

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Postby Steven Dowd » July 6th, 2004, 2:20 pm

I am sure I read once that the Griffin pub in Earlestown has a ghost... and... didnt they find a painting or something behind a false wall there when they were renovating the old place?


about the ghost in the griffin pub they nicknamed him fred theres two storys to this one some say he is an old railway worker who used the passage in the cellar to get two the old viaduct works and that he hanged him self at the bottom of the stairs leading dowm the cellar and about the photo they found a photo that is beleived to be his because the people who have seen him say he just looks like the man in the photo and the other story is that he was a former bar manger who got in so much debt threw gambling that he hanged him self from the same spot
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Postby Steven Dowd » July 20th, 2004, 6:00 pm

Well I heard that the white lady takes the form of a black swan that flys around the area near birley st/st.peters school.
Also in the room were they store the keyboards at St.Aelereds a girl was hung there!
Also I worked out the whole Mad Axe Man thing up in burtonwood, he was an escaped patient from the mental hospital. My grandad saw him when he was working late in the signal box at winick juction and he also fell into a time slip because it was dead late and he was working the night shift and every-thing went quiet but then he heard like horse and carts and chains...Could of been some-thing from the farm though.
Heres a funny story though, my mum was driving to some party when she was about 19 and she was picking her mate up near southworth road, and when she got to the bridge she saw this lady all in white. It turned out to be her mate wearing a white dress :D
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Postby Steven Dowd » July 20th, 2004, 6:02 pm

Can anyone telll me the true sory of the white lady and the white lady's house & cave.
The 'White Ladys' house is the old one on Mere road (private) near willow park. I have heard many storys and i am extremly interested. Also does anyone know of anyother local ghost stories?

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oh by the way johnny, sherri gorman sed her bro spent a night in that cave, she told me in juniors like ages ago
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Postby Steven Dowd » July 24th, 2004, 11:55 am

Can anyone telll me the true sory of the white lady and the white lady's house & cave.
The 'White Ladys' house is the old one on Mere road (private) near willow park. I have heard many storys and i am extremly interested. Also does anyone know of anyother local ghost stories?

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oh by the way johnny, sherri gorman sed her bro spent a night in that cave, she told me in juniors like ages ago


I am the owner of Redclyffe, which you refer to as "The 'White Ladys' house the old one on Mere road (private) near willow park." and I have had no experiences of any ghosts. Please note that house and the cave, which is in the grounds, is a private family residence and as such I request that any discussion about ends here.
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Postby Steven Dowd » July 24th, 2004, 5:46 pm

I think it is o.k for you ask we not talk about your residence but i find it un-reasonable that you ask we stop all descusion about local ghosts or the white lady.
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Postby Steven Dowd » July 24th, 2004, 6:25 pm

The White Lady is a very old and famous ghost of Newton-le-Willows, she is a legend and part of our history.

Of course we can discuss The White Lady and all other ghosts...but don't search for her at that house that we can't mention ... nor on Google, because there you will find hundreds of different white lady ghosts... all real of course.

PS The white lady is not at that house that we can't mention, she is always hovering over Newton Lake near the PUBLIC PATHWAY.

Earlestown Lass ;)
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Postby Steven Dowd » July 25th, 2004, 12:03 pm

Although I think its unfortunate that the owner of the house doesn?t want the place to be talked about, I do not see how or why other than for politeness the thread should be stopped

after all, its a little like the current owner of 'The Archway' saying please do not talk about it, or the 'Old Police Station saying the same, what about the people living in the New Flats in the Old Court House, or new owners of the 'little white cottages.

Redclyffe has been mentioned in many items relating to Newton?s History, it has been the subject of conversation publicly for many years, a trip to Newton library will enable you to look up newspaper reports of the house, its 'so called ghost' its building, its planning, previous owners, it was the subject i believe of public meetings at the planning stages, all reported, its the central subject of local postcards which have been onsale since the early 1900's, its mentioned in most every history book to do with Newton, both Coles 1916 book and Lanes 1914/16 books, and probably others.

Lots of Newtonians have played round the lake local to it, I myself have if i remember correct been in the cave/boat house in the cliff below the house when i was a child, lots of kids did.

Just because you live in a house or building which is mentioned, does not give you the right to stop people talking about it, if people named you, spoke personally, or slandered you in some way i.e.: Mr Bloggins of Redclyffe is etc, did etc, does etc. then that would be different, but i doubt even the queen would have power to stop people writing about Buck Palace, why is Redclyffe any different.

Personally, I cannot see anything wrong with this thread, the topic and your reason for getting it stopped has not got any substance (that?s a ghost joke).
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Postby Steven Dowd » July 25th, 2004, 6:16 pm

A local builder and his partner were working at The Curzon after Coral Snooker had taken over the building and claim to have seen a ghost stood in front of the projection window, which still remained upstairs from which, the films were sent to the big screen.

After seeing an old picture they think the figure was that of Fred Harrison, Manager of The Curzon. ;)
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Postby Steven Dowd » July 25th, 2004, 7:50 pm

I just have to ask

who was Fred Harrison?
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Postby Steven Dowd » July 26th, 2004, 8:09 am

I have nether the right or the inclination to request that you stop any discussion about, The Ghost of the White Lady or Redclyffe. I merely request that you not refer to Redclyffe as the White Lady’s house. With regards to the history of Redclyffe, it was in that interest that I happened upon this site and your comments in the first place.
I wish to thank you for your reference information and will follow them up at the earliest opportunity.

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Postby Steven Dowd » July 26th, 2004, 9:31 am

Is that the same Fred Harrison that is still alive in newton?
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Postby Steven Dowd » July 26th, 2004, 9:52 am

Allthough I do not know, the ref was to a Fred Harrison was a ghost ref, so i doubt it being someone still alive. must just be a namesake

As for the refs to Redclyffe and a ghost or not, well its just chat, its not fact, its stories, I cannot stop people talking about it, and do not see a need to remove the refs to it from here as it has no substance (that ghost joke again). I think that in this thread, people will read all the notes, and realise that someone is -sensative- to ghost comments about Redclyffe, and most people who use the forum, whome i know quite a few, will prob refrain from further comments which tie the two together, but practically i cannot stop it happening other than to delete the posts, and since no profanity or slander is enclosed within the comments, i really do not want to delete the items.

On another matter, you sign your name on that last post as an ODowd (sorry but the system is set to remove the \' but it messed up somehow, its a bug and ill fix it later). Since I have been tracing my own family locally and since my own family surname was originally ODowd, I wonder whether the family tree's are joined somewhere, have you ever done any family historysearches , are your ODowds from the area or outside it, maybe you would let me know

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